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Aug 20 08 10:35 AM
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Aug 20 08 10:42 AM
You guys kill me. A little shot in the truth button and you all freak. Would you rather me lie? I just call it like I see it. Just like you people. Your all entitled to my opinion. (FREE SPEECH) There is so much garbage, lies, spin you also throw out. Oh and then the best is when I bring up anything concerning faith in the Religious thread. I choose a life different than yours and choose not to frequent bars for fellowship, and I'm being made fun of. So spare me with the oh-he's-so-mean bit. Look in the mirror Spare me with the sincere invitation crap. I may be mean, but your a hypocrite. greeneyedlady, aren't you married? Carry on
If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them. Henry David Thoreau, 1817 - 1862
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Aug 20 08 10:48 AM
Intuitouch wrote: I've been trying to tell y'all he's a troll. Y'all have given it a good go but there is nothing you can do to appease him. No matter what you offer it won't be good enough or Christian enough or nonalcoholic enough. It just won't be enough ever. He can't stand that we don't just bend over backwards to create a special place for him to exist. He can't stand that people can actually have a good time together and he's not part of it. It is something he desperately wants or he'd have never posted in this thread in the first place. I've said it before and I'll say it again. He doesn't have the cahones to show up at a LOL event. All his posting here was a bunch of hooey just to rile folks up. He's a passive-aggressive whiney butt that doesn't deserve attention. In all my years on the net I've never ever blocked anyone but I'm telling ya, the day I blocked seeing his posts was one of the best days ever. You'd be amazed at how much easier it is to enjoy the board when you don't have to read the troll's words.
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Aug 20 08 10:59 AM
Well, I feel HAD ... I fear you guys may be right and Explorer is indeed a Troll and not a real person. I can't imagine anyone proclaiming Christianity in such a nasty manner. **Sigh** I hate being so gullible, but I guess it all fits with that last post about the "truth button" and "calling it like you see it." It was uncommonly mean-spirited and only meant to insult and harm. I can imagine the pastor at the Pointe would not only NOT condone this attitude, but I'm quite sure he doesn't preach it or encourage it. The conclusion that Explorer isn't a real entity, but merely a screen personna meant to provoke is a good one.
The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order ~ Alfred North Whitehead
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Aug 20 08 11:05 AM
Aug 20 08 11:16 AM
Who do you guys think you're kidding? Your invitation: Explorer, Grant's correct, EATS is open to everyone but no children are allowed. Our next adventure is supposed to be at Bones and will be fabulous. My simple question: Thanks, but no thanks. Being a recovering alcoholic, that's probably not a healthy environment for me. Do you ever have any non-alcohol events? Or kid friendly gatherings? Your replies: Explorer, man get real.
Gel, you're so right! I'm afraid that Explorer doesn't have a tremendous amount of faith in his recovery if he can't trust himself to dine in a restaurant that serves alcohol.
Just leave the kids and attitude at home.
Explorer- the EATS Club will have to buck up and muddle on SOMEHOW without you. heavy sigh.
@ Explorer. quit your whining!! Carry on
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Aug 20 08 11:36 AM
Aug 20 08 11:39 AM
I assure you, you have nothing to fear from any of us while enjoying an EATS event. We don't allow any unpleasantness at our tables. Please reconsider and join us one night. I can't promise you a restaurant that is alcohol free but I can promise you that none of us will ever allow you to backslide or do anything that you will be ashamed of later unless you are shamed by being in our presence. EATS just a wonderful opportunity to see us all at our best! And you don't find that sincere, warm and inviting??? You're the one who degenerated into nastiness for some unknown reason. Do you fear these folks or dislike them? Just let us know so we'll know how to proceed with your perhaps real self. Right now, you've not only been invited, but assured of a pleasant, non-judgemental and I'll go so far as to say, accommodating welcome at any table which seats the EATS. And all you can fall back on are Jenny Craig comments and admonishments that we'd give our own kids should they behave so rudely. Sorry.
We're not kidding anyone. We've come to know each other outside this board; breaking bread with someone is a great way to share - something about communion and all that - so we're not kidding anybody and I think I can speak for this particular group of women who really did try ONE MORE TIME to extend an honest hand in peace, the invitation probably no longer stands.
You've proven yourself to be mean spirited in the face of kindness and rude in the face of civility. I think I'd not really want to share my table with you. I send my children from the table when they act this way and don't allow them to join the fellowship of a dinner shared until they can act more appropriately; I'd not allow you any further latitude for bad behavior than I would them.
Aug 20 08 11:40 AM
Aug 20 08 11:58 AM
Aug 20 08 12:20 PM
"Well, I feel HAD ... I fear you guys may be right and Explorer is indeed a Troll and not a real person. I can't imagine anyone proclaiming Christianity in such a nasty manner. **Sigh** I hate being so gullible, but I guess it all fits with that last post about the "truth button" and "calling it like you see it." It was uncommonly mean-spirited and only meant to insult and harm. I can imagine the pastor at the Pointe would not only NOT condone this attitude, but I'm quite sure he doesn't preach it or encourage it. The conclusion that Explorer isn't a real entity, but merely a screen personna meant to provoke is a good one." How do you think I feel?! I actually tried to be nice to a troll! I even defended him to a couple of people. I was sincere in my invitations and always tried to be pleasant whenever I communicated with him, with the exception of the time he was dismissive and demeaning to Gail. I don't believe that I ever denigrated his beliefs and if I did, I apologize. But that's the only apology he will ever get from me. I don't do mean and I won't except it from him. I was always open and honest and, when I thought he was a real person, I would have liked to have met him. Of course, now I know that I'm totally not attractive enough to be in his presence. I've looked back at my posts on this thread and I fail to see any hypocrisy on my part. The honest answers to some of his comments may have made him feel like we would not welcome him but I honestly don't see how. Explorer, Grant's correct, EATS is open to everyone but no children are allowed. Our next adventure is supposed to be at Bones and will be fabulous. MY invitation--where is it mean spirited or ugly? Gel, you're so right! I'm afraid that Explorer doesn't have a tremendous amount of faith in his recovery if he can't trust himself to dine in a restaurant that serves alcohol. My statement and I stand by it. Explorer never said he objected to alcohol on religious grounds, only that he didn't think it was heathy for him to be in that environment. It's a reason given by someone who doesn't trust his ability to say no. I got the feeling he didn't have faith in his recovery yet.
None of the other statements are mine but this one is:
"Just go to the link Grant provided and sign up to join us. However, be forewarned, so far every venue has had beer, wine and/or mixed drinks available. Our dinners are not kid friendly so adults only. If this sounds like something you'd like, wecome!!" Does anyone else see hypocrisy or insincerity?
"You've proven yourself to be mean spirited in the face of kindness and rude in the face of civility. I think I'd not really want to share my table with you. I send my children from the table when they act this way and don't allow them to join the fellowship of a dinner shared until they can act more appropriately; I'd not allow you any further latitude for bad behavior than I would them."
I've never before regretted being kind and welcoming to someone but, unfortuantely, I do now. I also withdraw my invitation to share a table and warm fellowship with me and my friends. Should Explorer ever decide to join us at an event, I hope I have enough warning to excuse myself from the proceedings. I choose not to associate myself with his ilk.
Aug 20 08 12:38 PM
Aug 20 08 12:51 PM
Aug 20 08 1:15 PM
Don't even try to tell us that "just a suggestion, no harm intended" was supposed to make us see this as just a joke! Are you really just a 10 year old boy? Ten year old boys say the most mean and cruel things, aimed at hurting others, and then think that because they say "I'm only kidding!" it makes it okay, Grown up, rational people know that doesn't make it okay. Mean, cruel words are meant to hurt as deeply as possible and "I'm only kidding" is meant to alleviate all responsibility for any hurt caused. After all, if one takes it seriously after "I'm only kidding" is said, then it's not the 10 year old boy's fault that feeling were hurt. Lame!
You were the one who first expressed doubt that you could handle being around alcohol. We wanted you to know that we cared about your sobriety and would be there to support and reinforce your choice to remain sober just like everyone who was aware of my seafood allergy cared enough to be sure I didn't accidentally ingest it. Where is the condescention in that? We would have seen to it that you were surrounding by others who were abstaining for whatever reason. I see that as common courtesy. Those at the table who did choose to have a drink would not tease you with it or encourage you to "Just take one sip. What's it gonna hurt?" I see that as respect for your sobriety. But why am I trying to explain this to a 10 year old boy?? BTW, I'll put my health results up against yours any day. BP-110/68, pulse 60, total cholesterol 135, blood glucose 80 and I'd be happy to show you the results of the medical exam I took just recently for additional insurance. I'm probably going to live to be 120. If your outreach program was held in a neutral location rather than your church and led by someone who could recognize and accept anything other than Christianity I would probably enjoy attending. If you could assure me that the premise of Christianity would not be raised in any action, word or phrase, I might even be more inclined to attend. However, just the word "outreach" makes me feel that it's just an attempt to bring others to your faith and that says religion to me.
Aug 20 08 1:26 PM
I've never before regretted being kind and welcoming to someone but, unfortuantely, I do now. Do I have that much power over you? Maybe you ought to take some of Ninjas advice incredible wisdom "stick and stones...." I also withdraw my invitation to share a table and warm fellowship with me and my friends. Why???? Should Explorer ever decide to join us at an event, I hope I have enough warning to excuse myself from the proceedings. I choose not to associate myself with his ilk. and so it goes, Explorer (or whoever he says he is) in his typical fashion of passive/aggressive, persecuted behaviour has pushed his true friends further and further away and has been been shunned again. Just kiddin, luv you gals
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Aug 20 08 1:33 PM
Aug 20 08 1:42 PM
Aug 20 08 2:06 PM
sobella, I lost ya, I didn't try to make it sound as a joke. Just as you didn't try to be snarky with Explorer doesn't have a tremendous amount of faith in his recovery if he can't trust himself to dine in a restaurant that serves alcohol. You assume, the reason I don't frequent bars. YOUR WRONG!!!! and when I feel like publicly announcing the reason, then by all means, share your opinions or even suggestions of how I'd be a better person, if I'd just "lose your reservations of what is "right and wrong", go out on a limb to have some fun or at least something different" Until then, how dare you even insinuate how much faith I or anyone else has. You don't even know me. That's downright mean, selfish and rude. You should be ashamed of yourself. You kids are great
Aug 20 08 2:15 PM
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